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	<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 02:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
	
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		<title>Comment on No Seriously, Why Doesn&#8217;t The Wall Street Journal Link to Websites? by Alex Bennert</title>
		<link>http://www.websimple.com/blog/when-the-wall-street-journal-does-not-link-to-websites.html/comment-page-1#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Bennert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeremy, 

I hope you don't mind.... I posted a longer response to your post on &lt;a href="http://sphinn.com/index.php/story/152471/#77684" rel="nofollow"&gt;Sphinn&lt;/a&gt;.  I agree that the practice of linking out at the Journal would be better if it were more consistent.

Alex Bennert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeremy, </p>
<p>I hope you don&#8217;t mind&#8230;. I posted a longer response to your post on <a href="http://sphinn.com/index.php/story/152471/#77684" rel="nofollow">Sphinn</a>.  I agree that the practice of linking out at the Journal would be better if it were more consistent.</p>
<p>Alex Bennert</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Insider: Yes, PageRank Determines Your Indexation Cap by Thos003</title>
		<link>http://www.websimple.com/blog/pagerank-determines-your-indexation-cap.html/comment-page-1#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Thos003</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 15:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Inisheer -

I agree.  I have pages with zero PR that rank, but they are not ranking for competitive keywords.  As far as your PR ranking bouncing, you may be getting different ranks through Google's different indexes.  Not all of their indexes agree on PR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Inisheer -</p>
<p>I agree.  I have pages with zero PR that rank, but they are not ranking for competitive keywords.  As far as your PR ranking bouncing, you may be getting different ranks through Google&#8217;s different indexes.  Not all of their indexes agree on PR.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Insider: Yes, PageRank Determines Your Indexation Cap by Thos003</title>
		<link>http://www.websimple.com/blog/pagerank-determines-your-indexation-cap.html/comment-page-1#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Thos003</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 00:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very insightful.  Do you have any idea where the cap of included SERP pages lies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very insightful.  Do you have any idea where the cap of included SERP pages lies?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Insider: Yes, PageRank Determines Your Indexation Cap by Does site:domain.com/* show you non-supplemental Google indexed pages? &#124; SEOptimise</title>
		<link>http://www.websimple.com/blog/pagerank-determines-your-indexation-cap.html/comment-page-1#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Does site:domain.com/* show you non-supplemental Google indexed pages? &#124; SEOptimise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Link reputation/PageRank to be a large factor for indexation [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Link reputation/PageRank to be a large factor for indexation [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Insider: Yes, PageRank Determines Your Indexation Cap by Nerd in Skirt &#8211; just in love with SEO and SMO&#187; Alles Google oder was? &#187; Indexation Cap</title>
		<link>http://www.websimple.com/blog/pagerank-determines-your-indexation-cap.html/comment-page-1#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Nerd in Skirt &#8211; just in love with SEO and SMO&#187; Alles Google oder was? &#187; Indexation Cap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeremy Bencken brachte Ende des Jahres Insiderinformationen auf, die bestätigen, dass es bei Google wirklich eine Begrenzung der indexierten Unterseiten eines Webprojektes gibt und erwies zusätzlich dem totgesagten PageRank seine Ehre.   Doch der Reihe nach: wie Rand gewohnt klar und simple formuliert, macht ein Indexierungsdeckel Sinn: Junk und Spam (aber auch unbeabsichtigt produzierte Duplicate Content Seiten, Anm. d. Verf.) würden den Index zumüllen und die Relevanz der Treffer absenken. Daher sein Fazit: Google (very likely) has a limit it places on the number of URLs it will keep in its main index and potentially return in the search results for domains. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeremy Bencken brachte Ende des Jahres Insiderinformationen auf, die bestätigen, dass es bei Google wirklich eine Begrenzung der indexierten Unterseiten eines Webprojektes gibt und erwies zusätzlich dem totgesagten PageRank seine Ehre.   Doch der Reihe nach: wie Rand gewohnt klar und simple formuliert, macht ein Indexierungsdeckel Sinn: Junk und Spam (aber auch unbeabsichtigt produzierte Duplicate Content Seiten, Anm. d. Verf.) würden den Index zumüllen und die Relevanz der Treffer absenken. Daher sein Fazit: Google (very likely) has a limit it places on the number of URLs it will keep in its main index and potentially return in the search results for domains. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Insider: Yes, PageRank Determines Your Indexation Cap by Inisheer</title>
		<link>http://www.websimple.com/blog/pagerank-determines-your-indexation-cap.html/comment-page-1#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Inisheer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly i don't think this is accurate. I have a site thats had it's page rank bounce around alot from 4 to zero. It has no effect on traffic though - I definately get traffic coming into zero rank pages - and I can see they are actually pretty high in the main index.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly i don&#8217;t think this is accurate. I have a site thats had it&#8217;s page rank bounce around alot from 4 to zero. It has no effect on traffic though - I definately get traffic coming into zero rank pages - and I can see they are actually pretty high in the main index.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Insider: Yes, PageRank Determines Your Indexation Cap by Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.websimple.com/blog/pagerank-determines-your-indexation-cap.html/comment-page-1#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adolfo this what I love about this field! So many people interacting and working together in an open and honest way to better understand the environment that we work in.

@Jeremy great post. The true lesson here for me is the need to continue developing content that is good for my audience and the all important backlinks will follow ( not that I am suggesting you stop looking for backlink opportunities as well).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adolfo this what I love about this field! So many people interacting and working together in an open and honest way to better understand the environment that we work in.</p>
<p>@Jeremy great post. The true lesson here for me is the need to continue developing content that is good for my audience and the all important backlinks will follow ( not that I am suggesting you stop looking for backlink opportunities as well).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Insider: Yes, PageRank Determines Your Indexation Cap by José</title>
		<link>http://www.websimple.com/blog/pagerank-determines-your-indexation-cap.html/comment-page-1#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>José</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

For those who know little about SEO from the technical point of view, my advice is to keep writing regularly, preferrably original, useful and relevant content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>For those who know little about SEO from the technical point of view, my advice is to keep writing regularly, preferrably original, useful and relevant content.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Insider: Yes, PageRank Determines Your Indexation Cap by adolfo</title>
		<link>http://www.websimple.com/blog/pagerank-determines-your-indexation-cap.html/comment-page-1#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>adolfo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its amazing how blog comment sections are the scientific labs of our time. I wonder how diffrent our world would be if DOCTORS would spend as much time brainstorming with other doctors , breaking down ideas and figuring out there true meanings , what effects them etc.

The medical field has alot to learn from the SEO industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its amazing how blog comment sections are the scientific labs of our time. I wonder how diffrent our world would be if DOCTORS would spend as much time brainstorming with other doctors , breaking down ideas and figuring out there true meanings , what effects them etc.</p>
<p>The medical field has alot to learn from the SEO industry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Insider: Yes, PageRank Determines Your Indexation Cap by Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.websimple.com/blog/pagerank-determines-your-indexation-cap.html/comment-page-1#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael You're right in your BSB post when you say that the email doesn't prove that's there's a theoretical limit to the number of pages you can get into the index.  If you have infinite (or enough to be the functional equivalent of infinite) backlinks, you could theoretically have infinite pages (thus, no cap).   

For sites who are spreading their peanut butter thin (passing just enough to pages so that they have sufficient backlinks to stay in the Main index), a negative "adjustment" in the treatment of backlinks could cause some of their pages to fall into Supplemental, which as the site owner, feels pretty much the same as having a cap (sorry for reiterating what you pointed out on your blog, but it's a really key point).

In my case, when this happened, the issue was that the pages in question were relatively isolated from the rest of the site (they were small market city pages, so they only had links to them internally, from our 'state' page).  The solution that got the pages back in the index was to increase their interlinking from within the rest of the site (specifically we linked to them from our larger city/market pages which themselves had a lot of deep inlinks), which pulled the submarket pages up enough to get them out of Supplemental (plus since the links were geographically-based, I like to think some semantic value was passed to the pages).  Great comments, so much in SEO is a question of the practical consequences. 

@Amy and @Jason Thanks for the comments!  I think the email shows that whether a page goes Supplemental is a function of its backlinks (and then I made the leap to interpret that as 1) PageRank, 2) a finite spreadable commodity, and 3) that ultimately it can get so small it's insufficient to help the pages who receive it get out of Supplemental).  As a practical matter, on really large sites (the one I was dealing with now has &gt;1M pages), you end up with clusters of tens of thousands of pages that are only getting PR from other pages on the site, so the PR available to pass into those clusters becomes a limiter.

Again, I'm assuming that the Peanut Butter Principle is true.  If so, the PR of those other pages (who link to the cluster) becomes the determinant of whether enough juice is passed to those clusters of pages to stay in the Main index.  The more PR they have, the more peanut butter there is to spread, so the more pages you can get in the Main index.

One interesting view on this, and I think Matt might have said this at SMX Advanced '07, is that new sites aren't placed in any sort of sandbox, it's just that they don't have enough backlinks to get into the Main index.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael You&#8217;re right in your BSB post when you say that the email doesn&#8217;t prove that&#8217;s there&#8217;s a theoretical limit to the number of pages you can get into the index.  If you have infinite (or enough to be the functional equivalent of infinite) backlinks, you could theoretically have infinite pages (thus, no cap).   </p>
<p>For sites who are spreading their peanut butter thin (passing just enough to pages so that they have sufficient backlinks to stay in the Main index), a negative &#8220;adjustment&#8221; in the treatment of backlinks could cause some of their pages to fall into Supplemental, which as the site owner, feels pretty much the same as having a cap (sorry for reiterating what you pointed out on your blog, but it&#8217;s a really key point).</p>
<p>In my case, when this happened, the issue was that the pages in question were relatively isolated from the rest of the site (they were small market city pages, so they only had links to them internally, from our &#8217;state&#8217; page).  The solution that got the pages back in the index was to increase their interlinking from within the rest of the site (specifically we linked to them from our larger city/market pages which themselves had a lot of deep inlinks), which pulled the submarket pages up enough to get them out of Supplemental (plus since the links were geographically-based, I like to think some semantic value was passed to the pages).  Great comments, so much in SEO is a question of the practical consequences. </p>
<p>@Amy and @Jason Thanks for the comments!  I think the email shows that whether a page goes Supplemental is a function of its backlinks (and then I made the leap to interpret that as 1) PageRank, 2) a finite spreadable commodity, and 3) that ultimately it can get so small it&#8217;s insufficient to help the pages who receive it get out of Supplemental).  As a practical matter, on really large sites (the one I was dealing with now has >1M pages), you end up with clusters of tens of thousands of pages that are only getting PR from other pages on the site, so the PR available to pass into those clusters becomes a limiter.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m assuming that the Peanut Butter Principle is true.  If so, the PR of those other pages (who link to the cluster) becomes the determinant of whether enough juice is passed to those clusters of pages to stay in the Main index.  The more PR they have, the more peanut butter there is to spread, so the more pages you can get in the Main index.</p>
<p>One interesting view on this, and I think Matt might have said this at SMX Advanced &#8216;07, is that new sites aren&#8217;t placed in any sort of sandbox, it&#8217;s just that they don&#8217;t have enough backlinks to get into the Main index.</p>
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